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Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby TheKman » Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:27 am

Made my first narrow gauge car and again a coupler issue. Couplers disappear on the locomotive and the car behind my boxcar when I couple up. Now, the strange thing is I have no issues when coupling standard gauge equipment to the narrow gauge car. I'm using the same coupler on the narrow gauge cars as I'm using on my standard gauge equipment I've designed. I'm thinking it's my coupler causing the problem, but no idea as to why and how to fix this........
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby buzz456 » Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:37 am

Off hand it sounds to me that if it couples to a standard gauge that maybe you have the center point off.
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby TheKman » Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:32 am

buzz456 wrote:Off hand it sounds to me that if it couples to a standard gauge that maybe you have the center point off.


Center point on the car, or center point of the coupler? Can't be off by much.....
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby TheKman » Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:11 pm

TheKman wrote:
buzz456 wrote:Off hand it sounds to me that if it couples to a standard gauge that maybe you have the center point off.


Center point on the car, or center point of the coupler? Can't be off by much.....


Issue was on the Sketchup model. The bogies were not center, just off a wee bit. My friend designed and mounted the bogies and I didn't check his work. 99.999999% of the time his work is flawless.
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby TheKman » Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:44 pm

TheKman wrote:
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buzz456 wrote:Off hand it sounds to me that if it couples to a standard gauge that maybe you have the center point off.


Center point on the car, or center point of the coupler? Can't be off by much.....


Issue was on the Sketchup model. The bogies were not center, just off a wee bit. My friend designed and mounted the bogies and I didn't check his work. 99.999999% of the time his work is flawless.


Well...After fixing the model, I still have the same issue. Maybe the coupler? Is there anything different with the other narrow gauge equipment that might be causing this? Both DSNG and Clear Creek equipment do this. Are narrow gauge models designed slightly different than a standard gauge model? (other than the wheel gauge)
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby buzz456 » Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:16 pm

If it couples to the standard gauge then the problem is still centerage (if that's a word). Narrow gauge if I remember right moves to one side to sit properly on the rails. I assume the coupler has to do the same. Have you looked at the numbers for one of the narrow gauge couplers that we know works?
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby TheKman » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:58 am

buzz456 wrote:If it couples to the standard gauge then the problem is still centerage (if that's a word). Narrow gauge if I remember right moves to one side to sit properly on the rails. I assume the coupler has to do the same. Have you looked at the numbers for one of the narrow gauge couplers that we know works?


OK now I think I understand what you're saying. Putting the coupler dead center of the coupling matrix in the blueprint doesn't work. Needs to go a little left or right.
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby TheKman » Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:12 am

TheKman wrote:
buzz456 wrote:If it couples to the standard gauge then the problem is still centerage (if that's a word). Narrow gauge if I remember right moves to one side to sit properly on the rails. I assume the coupler has to do the same. Have you looked at the numbers for one of the narrow gauge couplers that we know works?


OK now I think I understand what you're saying. Putting the coupler dead center of the coupling matrix in the blueprint doesn't work. Needs to go a little left or right.



Tried a little left or right. up/down and that didn't work. Tried exactly like the specs on a Clear Creek NG car and a DSNG car and no go with that. Tried a new, clean .xml for the car and that didn't work. I wondering if it's something with the model itself.
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby buzz456 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:39 am

Shouldn't have since it will couple to a regular gauge car. Does the knuckle just butt up against the next cat or what exactly happens?
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby TheKman » Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:15 pm

buzz456 wrote:Shouldn't have since it will couple to a regular gauge car. Does the knuckle just butt up against the next cat or what exactly happens?


The couplers on a NG car or engine completely disappear when I couple up to my boxcar. Couplers on my car are fine. It couples, but you can't see the couplers on the NG stuff.
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby kris120 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:51 pm

As you can read on https://www.christrains.com/en/ts_faq_p ... lings.html you have to recalculate the pivots by new and independently for your narrow gauge car. It's not only the position of the couplings, the geometry of the car influences the data, too.
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby TheKman » Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:18 am

kris120 wrote:As you can read on https://www.christrains.com/en/ts_faq_p ... lings.html you have to recalculate the pivots by new and independently for your narrow gauge car. It's not only the position of the couplings, the geometry of the car influences the data, too.





I only have half of this doc...... Didn't even know there were charts for the coupling pivots. I'll give this a go.
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby TheKman » Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:40 pm

TheKman wrote:
kris120 wrote:As you can read on https://www.christrains.com/en/ts_faq_p ... lings.html you have to recalculate the pivots by new and independently for your narrow gauge car. It's not only the position of the couplings, the geometry of the car influences the data, too.





I only have half of this doc...... Didn't even know there were charts for the coupling pivots. I'll give this a go.


Reworked the coupling pivots and still have disappearing couplers on the other NG car and tender. I think I may have another idea. I'll return.
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby kris120 » Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:51 pm

The only other thing I can think of:
Can you show the coupled version of the geo as a regular scenery blueprint ?
Does the sound work, do the bogies stand correctly on the track and do they move correctly ?
I admit, so slowly it becomes abstruse.
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Re: Havin A Issue with The Narrow Gauge Boxcar I designed.

Unread postby TheKman » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:02 pm

kris120 wrote:The only other thing I can think of:
Can you show the coupled version of the geo as a regular scenery blueprint ?
Does the sound work, do the bogies stand correctly on the track and do they move correctly ?
I admit, so slowly it becomes abstruse.


Sound works. Bogies aligned correctly and wheel sets turn correctly. Bogies and wheels named correctly. (bo01 bo02 bo01wh01 bo01wh02 bo02wh01 bo02wh02)

Could you explain this scenery blueprint of a coupled version? What exactly are you wishing to view? Not sure what I need to do for that......
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