Cheyenne 1869 extension

[DanSSG]

Ah yes, the Chama coaling tower! I spent a week making that, only to find out soon afterwards that it dates from the 1920s, which is why I had to replace it with the coaling stage/platform.

I think for refilling the tender that was the better choice, too.

I haven't found any pictures of the Carbon mines yet and also have only very little mining assets in the Clear Creek pack, so I think I'll have to get a bit creative when building this area. But from other mine pictures around 1900 it could be possible that they used such towers to fill the coal gondolas even in 1869

If you have some time to spare, could you do me a favor and make a bigger version from that winged bulkhead that you made for the Promontory route, so I can use that in combination with the additional grade lofts?

[TranscontinentalFan]

I haven't found any pictures of the Carbon mines yet and also have only very little mining assets in the Clear Creek pack, so I think I'll have to get a bit creative when building this area. But from other mine pictures around 1900 it could be possible that they used such towers to fill the coal gondolas even in 1869

Dan,

I have been a long time follower of this thread and a great admirer of your work. I have joined as I think I can be of some assistance here. There is a picture of a coal tipple at Carbon, taken by J.B. Silvis on this page about half way down - http://cprr.org/Museum/Silvis/

Hope this helps!

Regards,
Colin

P.S. Mike, thanks for your fantastic work, if I see a Smokebox product I buy it at full price, best value for money of any DLC and true simulations of the real locomotives too!

[mrennie]

If you have some time to spare, could you do me a favor and make a bigger version from that winged bulkhead that you made for the Promontory route, so I can use that in combination with the additional grade lofts?

I'll have to decline, unfortunately, because I need to devote all my time now to the Big Boy. The winged bulkhead is actually a standard SP design. The way I dealt with taller grades was simply to build up the terrain under the bulkhead and in some cases I used my rock formations to build it up.

[mrennie]

P.S. Mike, thanks for your fantastic work, if I see a Smokebox product I buy it at full price, best value for money of any DLC and true simulations of the real locomotives too!

Thanks, very much appreciated :)

[DanSSG]

I have been a long time follower of this thread and a great admirer of your work. I have joined as I think I can be of some assistance here. There is a picture of a coal tipple at Carbon, taken by J.B. Silvis on this page about half way down - http://cprr.org/Museum/Silvis/

Thanks Colin. Yes, that looks a bit like that what I had in mind

I'll have to decline, unfortunately, because I need to devote all my time now to the Big Boy.

No problem. It's great to hear that you now got the drawings for the Big Boy

[TranscontinentalFan]

I also found some further information here - https://www.hannabasinmuseum.com/1868---1892-town-of-carbon-aka-old-carbon-and-carbon-city.html - it has a wealth of information, including a map, although most images are from the 1870's.

[DanSSG]

I also found some further information here - https://www.hannabasinmuseum.com/1868---1892-town-of-carbon-aka-old-carbon-and-carbon-city.html - it has a wealth of information, including a map, although most images are from the 1870's.

Much appreciated, thank you
This site is is exactly that bunch of information that I needed. I wonder why I haven't found that while googling

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In the 1880s a spur was built straight ahead that leads to Carbon No. 5 mine. I had already layed a small piece of track but didn't know at that time that the mine didn't exist in 1869. The mine was opened in 1880 and abandoned in 1885. It turned out to be poor quality coal.

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[DanSSG]

That dam and reservoir on the left site is the Smith Reservoir. From the houses next to it are only some piles of wood left over.

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I have no idea when it was built but I think it's possible that it exits already in the late 19th century.

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Although Carbon lies near a creek there wasn't much water available because the creek didn't carry much water and was often dried out.

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Because of that, water was hauled from Medicine Bow and emptied into a town cistern, from which it could be fetched by bucket or barrel for household uses.

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The lack of water was a nightmare in case of fires especially the fire from 1890 which burned a large part of the business district.

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[Footplate1]

Coming along very nicely. How far do you intend going?

[DanSSG]

Well... I haven't set a final destination at which this route is 'finished'. That's the reason why I release it in stages to the file library.
With stage two we have about 135 miles and I think stage three will be close to 200 but I haven't set an endpoint for this stage yet. I think it could be Rawlins or maybe the former site of Benton, a tent town which existed for just a few month while it was the end of the line.

[mrennie]

Thanks for posting the pictures. The route looks fantastic!

[DanSSG]

While I'm waiting for the reply from Bob Leathers from the Hanna Basin Museum, I started scenery-ing the area between Carbon and Simpson.

This is how Carbon looks at the moment. The big trees are the positions where I think the mines were.

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Let's go west

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We start our climb with a 1.0% grade

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The maximum grade in this area is 1.6% but even with two locos ten coal gondolas are too heavy for this grade

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@Mike: Do you have an idea why sometimes the smoke from the smokestack is missing when double-heading?

[mrennie]

@Mike: Do you have an idea why sometimes the smoke from the smokestack is missing when double-heading?

The double-heading code in the TS core is extremely buggy, especially for steam locos (and worst of all when it's a steam+diesel combo). It sometimes gives the player-driven loco's (PDL's) script some corrupted values, or a mixture of values for that loco combined with other values from the AI loco (which are very simplified and sometimes zero or random). Perhaps the only saving grace is that in my DLC, the PDL sends data to the AI's script so that it can try to imitate what the PDL is doing, so at least they should both emit smoke of (more or less) the same density and colour most of the time.

[SAR704]

Would it not be practical to add an additional animation for the leading loco? As in where the smoke spawns from where the chimney is on the rear one? IE two separate smoke animations being active from the same boiler, but spawned at different positions.

I haven't built steam engines at all, so only taking a wild guess here!

[buzz456]

I have run several double headers where the smoke works just fine. About the only thing I have noticed is that when feeding coal in usually the back loco never turns black. Someone has this figured out.