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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby ricksan » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:47 am

Would it work that the pantograph and trolley pole can be toggled, just like some third party and recent DTG electrics?

This is a great question, but it makes an "apples and oranges" comparison.

The vR, ALP-46 and similar locos have two opposed, single-arm (Faiveley) pantographs. The "up" panto is usually determined by the direction of travel so as to optimize the contact performance. At high speeds, it's more efficient to push the carbon bar into the contact wire, than to drag it. On a model of this kind of locomotive, the panto pairs can easily be animated up and down to suit the travel direction, and RW provides core support for this.

The SN locos, which are anything but modern, used separate pantos and trolley poles for completely different reasons, as explained in the User Manual. It's just as easy to animate a trolley pole up and down as it is a panto, but trolley poles have an additional degree of freedom. They have to rotate about a vertical axis so the contact wheel always follows the overhead wire. That's difficult, if not impossible, to accomplish in RW.

So that's the main reason the motors on the SN don't use the trolley poles. Another reason is that, at least in the case of the steeple cabs, they never used the trolley poles anyway, at least not at the South End. The interurbans did use trolley poles north of Shafter Yard, but the contact wires were specially supported with closely spaced side-draw wires to form curves that closely followed the tracks. In other words, they weren't supported by the familiar catenary-profile messenger wires. I would never have built this route if I couldn't have used the RW catenary tool for the 40 or so miles of track north of Shafter. It was bad enough I had to make all those special wire-support grids in Oakland -- but well worth it, don't you think? So use the pantographs that Ricky gave you and learn to love them!
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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby RailWanderer » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:21 am

The assets that come with the route are awesome Rick. Not just the motive power, but the cars and all the scenery assets, nice work. I even figured out how to make a catenary tool for several of the support configurations, which I wanted to learn anyway. So, the route was well worth the money, thanks.
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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby AmericanSteam » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:58 am

Just a note, the temperature gauge in cab reads in degrees centigrade. Should this be in Fahrenheit?
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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby buzz456 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:07 pm

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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby RailWanderer » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:26 pm

buzz456 wrote:
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Thanks Buzz, I was looking for the right sentiment here.
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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby OldProf » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:02 pm

AmericanSteam wrote:Just a note, the temperature gauge in cab reads in degrees centigrade. Should this be in Fahrenheit?


Not in California which, at least as of today, is still part of the U S of A, where ordinary folk measure temperatures in Centigrade.
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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby AmericanSteam » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:21 pm

OldProf wrote:
AmericanSteam wrote:Just a note, the temperature gauge in cab reads in degrees centigrade. Should this be in Fahrenheit?


Not in California which, at least as of today, is still part of the U S of A, where ordinary folk measure temperatures in Centigrade.

I have been using Fahrenheit ( °F)f or the last 67 years. No one told me, Check your automobile temperature gauge and your kitchen stove both in Fahrenheit.
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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby Ericmopar » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:00 pm

OldProf wrote:
AmericanSteam wrote:Just a note, the temperature gauge in cab reads in degrees centigrade. Should this be in Fahrenheit?


Not in California which, at least as of today, is still part of the U S of A, where ordinary folk measure temperatures in Centigrade.


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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby GSkid » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:16 pm

The only time I ever hear or see Americans using centigrade is in reference to electronics temperatures such as CPU and GPU temps. Otherwise it's Fahrenheit for pretty much everything else.
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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby Overshoe » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:06 am

I haven't used Centigrade since 1948. I switched over to Celsius about then. Of course we here in the US are the last country on Earth to use Fahrenheit. Conveniently, my wall thermometer has both scales.

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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby PapaXpress » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:07 am

Overshoe wrote:I haven't used Centigrade since 1948. I switched over to Celsius about then. Of course we here in the US are the last country on Earth to use Fahrenheit. Conveniently, my wall thermometer has both scales.

How's this for topic drift? !*roll-laugh*!


It depends if we will start to convert to Kelvin.
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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby Overshoe » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:12 am

PapaXpress wrote:It depends if we will start to convert to Kelvin.


Man, that would be an Absolute Zero!

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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby PapaXpress » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:14 am

Overshoe wrote:
PapaXpress wrote:It depends if we will start to convert to Kelvin.


Man, that would be an Absolute Zero!

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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby Ericmopar » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:34 am

It just goes to prove, that temperatures can cause a "derailment" ...
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Re: Sacramento Northern!

Unread postby ricksan » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:12 pm

Herewith: a partial photo of the actual cab.

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