Signaling Question

[emdsd90mac]

What would be the best way to signal this section? I've played around with a few different ways, but I cannot seem to get the result I am seeking. I want to use a signal bridge at each end of this stretch and I'm not sure which heads to use. I am wanting to use the signals from the Stevens Pass route. Any and all input would be greatly appreciated.

[GreatNortherner]

Hi,

Assuming that I'm interpreting the screenshot correctly as this being a double cross-over: I would signal it like in reality, putting a signal at each of the four tracks leading into the double crossover. That would mean using a 2T signal on each track (the sim doesn't care how many heads they have, or if gantry mounted or with post. The number of track links is all that counts.)

Link #0 should be placed next to the signal, link #1 on the straight track at the far side of the crossovers, and link #2 on the secondary track (past the switch onto the other track).

Put the 1 and 2 links of the signal ahead of the 0-link of the opposing direction's signal at the far side of the crossovers to avoid getting stuck reds when trains meet here. Also try to avoid placing any links on the rendered parts of the switches.

Cheers
Michael

[emdsd90mac]

Michael,

Thank you for response, I really appreciate it. I shall give this a shot and update this thread afterwards. Again, thank you

[artimrj]

Make sure the links do not cross over a split in the tracks; ie the yellow line that seperates sections of track. If you do the signal will not work.

[emdsd90mac]

***Update***

I placed the 2T signals as suggested above being careful not to split sections and making breaks and welds in the track ribbon where needed as well, but I seem to be having a little problem. It's an end-to-end problem so to speak. For instance, when I throw the switches for the crossovers the signals at one end do what they are supposed to do, but at the opposite end they both stay green. If my thinking is correct, the signal at the opposite end of the track I am diverging from should turn red. Is this correct? If there is a train occupying this track and crossing over to the adjacent track then any on-coming traffic would get a red signal. Is this a link placement issue or do I need an additional link?

Thank you for the replies thus far

[GreatNortherner]

the signal at the opposite end of the track I am diverging from should turn red. Is this correct?

Yes, this is correct and as far as I know RW generally does that too.

Does the issue persist after starting a new session (or restarting the scenario) after making the changes to the links and/or tracks? Usually you should exit to the main menu and restart the scenario after doing any changes in either the route or scenario editor to avoid the signals misbehaving.

If the issue persists after reloading though it's probably a faulty link placement. Could you post another screenshot that shows the links of the four signals?

Cheers
Michael

[artimrj]

Makes sure link 1 & 2 are not crossing over or passed link 0.

If you hold control while selecting each signal you can see where all the links are at one time to check on things.

[emdsd90mac]

Ok, here's an updated screen shot with the signals placed and links highlighted. I checked that the 1 and 2 links are not past the Zero link and I have restarted the scenario as well; it still keeps the far signal green when it should be red. Thank you for the replies and the help on this matter.

[artimrj]

You are placing some of your links in between the switches. All the links should be closer to the other signals. The links have to cover all 4 switches. You need to go into another route that has crossovers and check out their set up. It is hard to explain with out a screenshot and I am off to bed.

[GreatNortherner]

What Bob said, just extend the 1 and 2 links to behind the second set of switches and it'll work.

Maybe this helps too to better understand the RW signal logic: a signal must cover all possible routes that are accessible from its home (0) link. In your setup, this is not the case. Take for example the signal on the upper left screenshot. This signal highlighted here has two issues:
-- From its diverging link, placed between the switches, you can still access both mainline routes (via the second set of switches). This should be avoided as it can cause confusing aspects to be shown.
-- The straight link is also too short, it will show green as soon as the first switch is set straight. How the second switch behind it is set will be ignored by this signal -- you'll get green even if the second crossover is set to diverging.

Cheers
Michael

[emdsd90mac]

POW!!!! Got it to work with all of your help. It was just that, the placement of the links and them not covering all of the crossovers. Thank you very much to Michael and Bob for all the help on this, I greatly appreciate this.

[artimrj]

You know there is a nice set of signal tutorials in the Learning Center on the web site? They are by Tim McIntosh. That is where I learned how to do them years ago.

[emdsd90mac]

I will look into them Bob and thank you once again for your outstanding support with my issue.

[artimrj]

I will look into them Bob and thank you once again for your outstanding support with my issue.

No problem, welcome to the Route Builders Guild. Feel free to ask anytime. If I don't know the answer someone else will.