End of the TSC?

[alpha0ne]

I saw some routes, but after that, no more. For example : ...

++ The Sechelt & North Coast Railway, Fri Oct 01, 2021
++ Green Bay, Fri Oct 05, 2018
++ Ex-L&N S&NA North Sub, Sep 30, 2021
++ Detroit Route, Sun Jul 11, 2021

They would be reason enough to continue with the TSC, but without such routes of the community everything makes no sense.

[BoostedFridge]

I saw some routes, but after that, no more. For example : ...

++ The Sechelt & North Coast Railway, Fri Oct 01, 2021
++ Green Bay, Fri Oct 05, 2018
++ Ex-L&N S&NA North Sub, Sep 30, 2021
++ Detroit Route, Sun Jul 11, 2021

They would be reason enough to continue with the TSC, but without such routes of the community everything makes no sense. There is no reason to buy rolling stock. Not from Dieselworkshop, not from Searchligt-Simulations, not from JointedRail, not from RRMods or others. The routes determine the scale of value.

So, learn to build routes yourself. You might then learn why it takes years to complete a prototype route of any moderate size.

[pkz19]

The Detroit route was completed?

[JenniQuest]

I saw some routes, but after that, no more. For example : ...

++ The Sechelt & North Coast Railway, Fri Oct 01, 2021
++ Green Bay, Fri Oct 05, 2018
++ Ex-L&N S&NA North Sub, Sep 30, 2021
++ Detroit Route, Sun Jul 11, 2021

They would be reason enough to continue with the TSC, but without such routes of the community everything makes no sense. There is no reason to buy rolling stock. Not from Dieselworkshop, not from Searchligt-Simulations, not from JointedRail, not from RRMods or others. The routes determine the scale of value.

Not for me. I'm just getting started!

So, learn to build routes yourself. You might then learn why it takes years to complete a prototype route of any moderate size.

Love me some Editor

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[harryadkins]

Even though Dovetail Games seems to be investing a lot of time in TSW, I still see a number of great routes coming from third part developers.

[mindenjohn]

It seems to me that it's just panic stirring by TSW fans to get more support for that. MSTS still gets routes and scenarios developed under Open Rails so I'm certain it will outlast me and I'm not planning to go anyways soon

[EngineerJohn]

It's slowing down but its not dead. Just there hasn't been any real competition for its spot. Trainz is improving but still feels too arcade-y most of the time but is best for modding. Run8 operations are second to none but graphics are lacking. Trainsim World is all graphics and not much else. TSC seems to fill that middle combination spot.

[buzz456]

It's slowing down but its not dead. Just there hasn't been any real competition for its spot. Trainz is improving but still feels too arcade-y most of the time but is best for modding. Run8 operations are second to none but graphics are lacking. Trainsim World is all graphics and not much else. TSC seems to fill that middle combination spot.

I don't know how you can say it's even slowing down. New routes and equipment seem to be appearing every week or so. It's DTG's loss that they are not successfully convincing these developers to go through them or better yet get back in the business of content development. Of course many of our esteemed citizens trashing every single thing produced probably hasn't inspired them. In any event I personally think Classic is alive and well at this time.

[harryadkins]

Well said Buzz. One of the reasons I left another forum was the constant negativity.

[ENR3005]

I saw some routes, but after that, no more. For example : ...

++ The Sechelt & North Coast Railway, Fri Oct 01, 2021
++ Green Bay, Fri Oct 05, 2018
++ Ex-L&N S&NA North Sub, Sep 30, 2021
++ Detroit Route, Sun Jul 11, 2021

They would be reason enough to continue with the TSC, but without such routes of the community everything makes no sense.

The Sechelt & North Coast is still being worked on. Life unfortunately has gotten in the way of any updates. I will have something of an update in the future.

[ElphabaWS]

It's hard to understand the premise on which "TSC is dead" (or dying) is based. As Buzz points out, there has been a steady stream of excellent new routes and content available, including from new or recent third-party partners such as AND (the remarkable Turkish route) and Machine Rail. And there's a long list of superb and interesting content and other developments in the pipeline for 2023.

[mindenjohn]

I saw some routes, but after that, no more. For example : ...

++ The Sechelt & North Coast Railway, Fri Oct 01, 2021
++ Green Bay, Fri Oct 05, 2018
++ Ex-L&N S&NA North Sub, Sep 30, 2021
++ Detroit Route, Sun Jul 11, 2021

They would be reason enough to continue with the TSC, but without such routes of the community everything makes no sense.

I am the guilty party working on "The Green Bay Route", it is a big task and I have many distractions e.g. engine repaints, wagon repaints and route extensions. I am extremely flattered and (sorry) cynical if you think that my work on the GBW is "reason enough to continue with the TSC" as there are (at least) dozens if not quite a few hundred good routes that make TSC worthwhile. Indeed it is the very fact that incompetents like me CAN edit and achieve in TSC that makes the difference between an aging but great Simulator and newer poorer arcade-like games that will be "de rigeur" now and gone in no time to the great electron recycling depot in the ether.
Patience young man, work is continuing but I like to drive on occasions as well as the distractions mentioned above - oh, and I do have a life and family as well. Bon Chance mes amis.

[Mikeov1985]

I saw some routes, but after that, no more. For example : ...

++ The Sechelt & North Coast Railway, Fri Oct 01, 2021
++ Green Bay, Fri Oct 05, 2018
++ Ex-L&N S&NA North Sub, Sep 30, 2021
++ Detroit Route, Sun Jul 11, 2021

They would be reason enough to continue with the TSC, but without such routes of the community everything makes no sense.

I am the guilty party working on "The Green Bay Route", it is a big task and I have many distractions e.g. engine repaints, wagon repaints and route extensions. I am extremely flattered and (sorry) cynical if you think that my work on the GBW is "reason enough to continue with the TSC" as there are (at least) dozens if not quite a few hundred good routes that make TSC worthwhile. Indeed it is the very fact that incompetents like me CAN edit and achieve in TSC that makes the difference between an aging but great Simulator and newer poorer arcade-like games that will be "de rigeur" now and gone in no time to the great electron recycling depot in the ether.
Patience young man, work is continuing but I like to drive on occasions as well as the distractions mentioned above - oh, and I do have a life and family as well. Bon Chance mes amis.

John, what is the scope of your route? Is it the Green Bay, WI area or a chunk of GBW’s lines across Wisconsin? Also what time period? I’d love to help in any way I can, but much of GBW’s tracks have been removed since the WCL takeover and I grew up south of where GBW operated.

[mindenjohn]

Mike, I was going to answer by PM but others may be interested so....

GBW has always been of interest to me and I had HO models of the C424s. I have wanted to do a TS route and I started off with the intention of covering Green Bay South of the Fox plus North of the Fox from Norwood out to Wisconsin Rapids plus the branches up to Stevens Point and Biron. Track and terrain done but the scenery is a massive job (Over 100 miles!). I suffered at the start with a lack of info. I have the only 2 books I can find on the GBW but the detail around Norwood was low and no track plans at all. I worked a lot of it out from Google Earth and studying photos. Then early this year I came across a track plan for the Norwood terminal and "All Change" (nearly). I have now decided to cover Green Bay (both sides of the Fox) out to New London interchange with the CNW but phase 1 may be only as far as Howard (because this is nearly finished) and South of the river giving plenty of industry switching opportunities with CNW interchange next to North Green Bay CNW yard and a MILW interchange West of Norwood.
There is no suitable swing bridge for the river crossings but (after much searching) I have used Lift bridges instead. The other reason for slow progress is because until recently there were no suitable locos in the game, even now for the period mid 70s to the end (1993) the only one really suitable is the recently released C424 from Diesel Workshop (gratitude) as the RS2s had gone and the RS3s were chopped nosed and uprated to RS20s even the great RS11 was chopped nosed by then and they only had 1. An RS27 would be useful but...
The other "scenario" I "imagined" was a What If? In 1974 BN wanted to merge with GBW the offer was accepted but MILW, CNW, Soo all squealed unfair and the regulators stepped in. When they eventually decided in 1978 that the BN bid was not unfair etc. BN had grown tired of waiting and had other fish to fry. What if BN had merged GBW some BN locos would have worked through from the Twin Cities etc - exciting possibilities and until the C424 arrived the main locomotive option available. In view of the GBW experience of Alcos they were very familiar with GE electrics so 4 axle Uboats and some of the BN Alcos could have been drafted into Norwood to boost their usual engine shortages as well as EMD run throughs.

Now I have come to a suitable break off point (from Adriana CRR) I can get back to GBW but thanks for the offer.

John

[goddrauG]

I still poke and prod at my routes. I plan on releasing my 100% genuinely final version of the T&B (and throwing in an extra little goodie) just in time for Christmas. I’ve got 28 days to do that so, someone hold me to it!!!

Route building is fun but also time consuming. I spend a good third of my time in the process thinking of what I’m going to build, then rethinking, then realizing that the assets I’m working with are limiting. I’m also, unfortunately, never pleased. I assume similar sentiments might be held among other builders.

Unfortunately (perhaps unbelievably) I also have a life. I’m ending my first semester of junior year at college at which I run a club (nothing to do with trains, funnily enough). I do what building I can.

Conclusion: don’t fret, we’re not dead and neither is TSC.