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Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:57 pm
by Cardinal51
Good afternoon all,

This is what I own . . .

TS
TS2021 Free upgrade
TS2020 US Edition
TS2013

ROUTES
Clinchfield Railroad: Elkhorn City - St. Paul Route Add-On
Donner Pass: Southern Pacific Route Add-On
Feather River Canyon Route Add-On
Horseshoe Curve Route Add-On
Hudson Line: New York – Croton-Harmon Route Add-On
Miami - West Palm Beach Route Add-On
Norfolk Southern Coal District Route Add-On
Norfolk Southern N-Line Route Add-On
Salt Lake City Route Extension Add-On
Sherman Hill Route Add-On
Soldier Summit Route Add-On

OTHERS
Amtrak P42 DC Empire Builder Loco Add-On
Amtrak SDP40F Loco Add-On
Battle For Sherman Hill Add-On
CSX AC6000CW Loco Add-On
CSX NRE 3GS-21B Genset Loco Add-On
CSX SD80MAC Loco Add-On
GP40-2 Loco Pack Add-On
Norfolk Southern C39-8 Loco Add-On
Southern Pacific Cab Forward Loco Add-On
Southern Pacific SD45 Loco Add-On
Union Pacific Big Boy Loco Add-On
Union Pacific Challenger Loco Add-On
Union Pacific Gas Turbine-Electric Loco Add-On
Union Pacific GP30 Loco Add-On
Union Pacific SD70Ace Loco Add-On
Union Pacific SD9043MAC Loco Add-On
US Loco & Asset Pack
Western Pacific GP20 High Nose Loco Add-On
Western Pacific GP35 Add-On

Any turn table action in one of the scenarios that come with the above ?

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:23 am
by GreatNortherner
Cardinal51 wrote:...
Any turn table action in one of the scenarios that come with the above ?


Hi, it's highly unlikely that any standard or career scenario will involve a turntable, because they can't be called by the scenario editor. The best you can probably hope for is that some scenarios exist where you start on one side of the TT and then drive straight through it. As for turning your loco on it, to my knowledge that really only works when "free roaming" but not when active paths (go to, etc.) are involved.

Cheers,
Michael

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:55 am
by mindenjohn
One of the scenarios in Maine Maritime involves the turntable but from memory this has problems and I am unsure if that has been resolved. I turn the loco in the Editor before setting off in the scenario.

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:24 am
by Cardinal51
Thanks guys. I had no idea Turn Table scenarios are so rare and have issues. Looks like I will have to strike this from my wish list :-(

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:33 am
by mrennie
GreatNortherner wrote:
Hi, it's highly unlikely that any standard or career scenario will involve a turntable, because they can't be called by the scenario editor. The best you can probably hope for is that some scenarios exist where you start on one side of the TT and then drive straight through it. As for turning your loco on it, to my knowledge that really only works when "free roaming" but not when active paths (go to, etc.) are involved.


Promontory Summit has a career scenario involving turning on the turntable, but what it actually does is instruct the player to stop at a destination marker placed just before reaching the turntable (which it checks) and then to move on to the turntable and turn around (which it can't check, so it just has to trust you). The way it's written, the scenario makes the player think that it is checking.

Cheers,

Mike

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:11 am
by AlcoFan
Why not just make a free roam scenario on a route with a turntable?

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:20 am
by wacampbell
The B&O Kingwood Branch comes with a career scenario that involves moving the locomotive to the turntable, turning it and attaching it to your train before departing.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/4481 ... ute_AddOn/

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:27 am
by TheKman
GreatNortherner wrote:
Cardinal51 wrote:...
Any turn table action in one of the scenarios that come with the above ?


Hi, it's highly unlikely that any standard or career scenario will involve a turntable, because they can't be called by the scenario editor. The best you can probably hope for is that some scenarios exist where you start on one side of the TT and then drive straight through it. As for turning your loco on it, to my knowledge that really only works when "free roaming" but not when active paths (go to, etc.) are involved.

Cheers,
Michael


So, in a scenario, the turntable won't work with the exception of going straight thru on two aligned tracks? EDIT: Just saw Wayne's post. So which is it? will or won't work?

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:26 pm
by jlms48
The Penn Steam route has a career scenario which ends with the loco on a traverser. To finish the scenario the traverser is moved to the correct track and the loco driven into its shed , when you get the end of scenario message. If it works with a traverser it should with a turntable.

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:07 pm
by Terry
I have written scenarios involving turntables. I don't recall which routes offhand. I know I have used them on the CSX Mainline route. I am not sure about any others.

Turntables are tricky. The scenario editor sometimes cannot handle a turntable if there is a need to switch it. Sometimes a little trial and error works but often the editor just can't figure out how to get from point A to point B on the other side of the turntable if there's no straight path. If the scenario has you just rotating the turntable 180 degrees you may get away with it.

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:03 pm
by kris120
I think scenarios via turntables are generally not pot possible as turntables are something the scenario editor or the dispatcher cannot handle (like Greatnorthener and mRennie have mentioned already).
The only reason why it seems that a way is possible via a turntable : The dispatcher finds another route avoiding the turntable between the waymarkers before and after the turntable.
The way the player uses between these markers is not checked, and like that even carreer scenarios are possible.

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:43 pm
by jlms48
kris120 wrote:I think scenarios via turntables are generally not pot possible as turntables are something the scenario editor or the dispatcher cannot handle (like Greatnorthener and mRennie have mentioned already).
The only reason why it seems that a way is possible via a turntable : The dispatcher finds another route avoiding the turntable between the waymarkers before and after the turntable.
The way the player uses between these markers is not checked, and like that even career scenarios are possible.


Kris 120 has hit the nail on the head.
I have had a look at the Penn Steam (Greenville) career scenario which uses a traverser and both traverser tracks that the loco moves between have an exit track. So the dispatcher/scenario editor could path the loco directly to the final destination without using the traverser. But this does not stop you using the traverser as intended in the scenario, with suitable waypoints and messages, along the way.
The same thing could work with a turntable: If the turntable has 2 or 3 exit tracks , the storage tracks directly opposite them should all be usable even in a career scenario.

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:03 pm
by trev123
Some UK routes have scenarios where you have to use the turntable.

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:55 am
by jlms48
jlms48 wrote:Kris 120 has hit the nail on the head.
I have had a look at the Penn Steam (Greenville) career scenario which uses a traverser and both traverser tracks that the loco moves between have an exit track. So the dispatcher/scenario editor could path the loco directly to the final destination without using the traverser. But this does not stop you using the traverser as intended in the scenario, with suitable waypoints and messages, along the way.
The same thing could work with a turntable: If the turntable has 2 or 3 exit tracks , the storage tracks directly opposite them should all be usable even in a career scenario.


I have now confirmed this works with turntables by using a simple test scenario for the Cheyenne turntable on the Sherman Hill route.
This turntable has 2 lead in roads. Both the stabling roads diametrically opposite these are usable in a standard scenario, which gives you the option to use the turntable to switch between them. None of the other radial stabling roads are useable by the player loco in the scenario, but at least you can use the turntable to do more than just drive straight across &/or turn the loco thro' 180 degrees.
There may be reliability issues I am not aware of, but as far as I can see, there is no reason scenario authors should avoid using turntables or traversers, bearing in mind the limitations outlined, and some examples have been referenced in previous posts.

Re: Looking for turn table scenario . .

Unread postPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 11:39 pm
by humorlinks