TS2020

[trev123]

Buzz456 I just saw your comment on Trainsim.com and I quite agree with you. I started to comment then decided not too so as not to open a can of worms again from these keyboard warriors.

[alanch]

Buzz456 I just saw your comment on Trainsim.com and I quite agree with you. I started to comment then decided not too so as not to open a can of worms again from these keyboard warriors.

Snap - I guess if I had replied I would have said something along the lines that 'RWA has replaced Trainsim for TS users in the US, and for those of us not in the US in matters relating to the US TS scene'.

[buzz456]

I know he meant it in a negative way but I'm kind of proud of being called a fanboy of TS20XX because that's what I am since this is the only train simulator I own or have ever owed. I think about 90% of the complaints are either caused by inadequate computer equipment, lack of computer skills, or the belief that everything should be perfect right out of the box, which any of us that have spent much time around computers should know should know rarely occurs.
For all the fun we have bashing DTG we should all pause to salute them once in a while for sticking with a rather obscure offering all these years. How many other 'games' do you know that are one and done. I admit to this being a addiction however I can think of many worse ones than this and the community here is just awesome.
End of rant. May the adventure continue.

[RAILSOHIO]

This is still the best railroad sim platform. And I was a big proponent of Trainz for years. This is also the only forum I follow to get info on. I could care less about any European content,and rarely venture into any other venue. I know that DTG does follow this forum on some level. There are still changes and additions I would make to the core "route building" aspect of this sim. I may not be super-excited about the announced graphic enhancements. But I am happy that upgrades keep coming each year. I consider the idea of submitting some ideas to DTG,but figure one voice will not make a difference. We will see what 2020 brings.

[alanch]

I know he meant it in a negative way but I'm kind of proud of being called a fanboy of TS20XX because that's what I am since this is the only train simulator I own or have ever owed. I think about 90% of the complaints are either caused by inadequate computer equipment, lack of computer skills, or the belief that everything should be perfect right out of the box, which any of us that have spent much time around computers should know should know rarely occurs.
For all the fun we have bashing DTG we should all pause to salute them once in a while for sticking with a rather obscure offering all these years. How many other 'games' do you know that are one and done. I admit to this being a addiction however I can think of many worse ones than this and the community here is just awesome.
End of rant. May the adventure continue.

You'll find that a large number of the detractors on Trainsim have a history with MSTS, as do I, and have probably kept MSTS or Open Rails, or both. I ditched MSTS a couple of years after the first incarnation of RW appeared, and haven't looked back once. Keeping MSTS running was too much like hard work.

I know there are shortcomings in the operations of TS compared to real railways, but so there were in MSTS, and I get a much more immersive experience driving in TS - helicopter view just isn't my thing! And now with the 64 bit version I can throw almost anything at TS and it will run. If only they could sort out the 'too many scenarios' problem that many deny exists, I would be even more happy.

[peterhayes]

Buzz
I carried out a mini-survey of all complaints about TS2014 back in 2014 published over 4 trainsim websites and over 98% of the complaints were either caused by (as you succinctly put it) inadequate computer equipment, lack of computer skills, plus poor computer maintenance, etc. Less than 1% were due to Steam or TS2014 and I feel that still applies today.
Like you, I only dabble in one sim - TS2019 and I live in hopes that TS2020 moves to DirectX 10/11/12, that would be a great advance.
pH

[buzz456]

Interesting comments Peter. My observations were more anecdotal based on my experience of asking questions and working with folk on various issues including my own head scratching occasionally about the famous "what is this thing doing now?" sometimes. After cycling through five different computers through the years I am certainly aware of the good the bad and the ugly when it comes to hardware and have found that all of the comments about this software and that software are largely not the issue when it comes to whether TS20xx runs or doesn't run. Learning that you just can't add and add certain gunk on without disrupting the program where other stuff seems to be able to be added almost to infinity since the program only uses some stuff when you push the scenario buttons keeps this thing running pretty smoothly. I honestly can't remember the last time that a scenario spit up on me in the middle of a run. Years ago that used to happen all of the time. Anyway let's hope for continuing improvement and this thing stays alive at least for a few more years.

[peterhayes]

Buzzz
Good points!!

I honestly can't remember the last time that a scenario spit up on me in the middle of a run.

I've had a couple recently, both WS scenarios from the same author, and even after he/she had updated the scenario.
I know it wasn't my install, and have never (like you) had any issue with the vast majority of routes and scenarios, and NONE at all with any DTG stuff!
Roll on Septemebr 19!!
pH

[buzz456]

There have been a few comments over on FB (what a surprise)about what the big deal is about TS2020. What the big deal is that DTG is continuing to support the platform therefore one presumes there will be continuing additions to content such as routes and rolling stock. That's what the big deal is.

[mindenjohn]

Agreed.

[alanch]

There have been a few comments over on FB (what a surprise)about what the big deal is about TS2020. What the big deal is that DTG is continuing to support the platform therefore one presumes there will be continuing additions to content such as routes and rolling stock. That's what the big deal is.

DTG have also confirmed that they are working on the 2021 update, so keeping TS going for even longer alongside their new baby - that sounds like a big deal, as well.

[DigitalRails]

Many people hate iPhone, do Apple bother?
Many people hate Train Simulator and TSW, do DTG bother?

NO

Train Simulator is a cash cow.

DTG have also confirmed that they are working on the 2021 update

Where they told? On which platform? DTG forum or Facebook? Tell me please.

[BoostedFridge]

There have been a few comments over on FB (what a surprise)about what the big deal is about TS2020. What the big deal is that DTG is continuing to support the platform therefore one presumes there will be continuing additions to content such as routes and rolling stock. That's what the big deal is.

^ This.

We got the best thing DTG could do for the game last year, when 64 bit Train Simulator came out.

If DTG does nothing else to change/upgrade/update the game, then I will not be disappointed. EXPECTING some major core changes to a 10 year old software platform is setting yourself up for disappointment.

[NorthernWarrior]

Nice to see the negative views of TS.com and personal insults to members over there alive and kicking on this so called "positive" forum...

As a matter of fact I do still fire up Railworks occasionally and the other week bought a new DLC (the German U-bahn) which apart form a few warts is actually quite good.

However you lot seem to forget we are paying customers of a company who's prime motive is to make money out of their product, so why should they not be subject to constructive criticism if they get it wrong. Sitting around pretending everything is okay does not force a developer to raise their game and fix what needs to be fixed.

Right now TBH I've got too much going on to really care what DTG (or N3V for that matter) are doing with their train games but having a pop at others simply for having a different view is hardly going to encourage said people to change their stance, or engage in more positive support such as firing up the route editor once more. (Though maybe I will surprise "yawl" in that respect, eh?).

[mindenjohn]

I haven’t read any personal “insults”. In my experience “northern” folk have thicker skins but then I might be wrong, we all are at some time or other.
Encouragement usually pays off better than constant complaint.