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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby qrfan3 » Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:52 pm

Toldrabald wrote:As the "basic" route to start off I chose the "Hagen-Siegen" route, so I got lots of Assets and stuff from that. But I also have installed some asset sets and single items which I apperantly can't find in the editor. Though there are lots of things to choose which never appear on the "Hagen-Siegen" route (mostly british houses and signals). So how does the editor load the assets to a route and how I can I tear them apart from default stuff to extra content?


If you cloned the "Hagen-Siegen" route using the default way in RW then you get nothing copied across except some default fault files to get you started. If you copied the folder and renamed some files and deleted what you don't want then that's a completely different story. Assets that you have installed that you know are in your Assets folder along with all other assets have to be "added " to the available list so you can place them in the world editor by ticking the Provider ( Builders name ) in the right side flyout in RW.

Here is an simple example on how to do that with a loco for a scenario but the principle is the same for world editor adding:

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Toldrabald wrote:And a question for the future: when I want to give away my route (if it ever reaches a status where I can do this *!lol!*) how would I include stuff, that RW has not by default but I have made use of on my route? Or is it done by the export feature by default?


Mike Simpsons RW_Tools does that automatically and prompts what are default, etc and do you wish to add by a yes / no prompt. In RW's when you package your Route you have to tick the boxes of the Assets that you have used and this can be hard, so document ( record ) what you use as this helps very very much. Payware and certain default files will not let you package them as they are Protected Assets ( you will see they are colored blue ).
This is the hardest part when packaging a route because you have to know what you used, aside from payware. Is it all default, do you have that third Party developers permission if he states so....etc, etc. If it's a big Route then your package is going to be of reasonable size. One option for you is to note in your readme file that " to run this route you must have this & that installed ". And to some folks this may be a " no thanks "...as they have to download maybe some payware stuff, chase up several downloads of third party material just to run your freeware route.

Hope this answers some of your queries...
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Unread postby Hawk » Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:13 pm

If you want to link to a specific post, just click on the little box in the upper-left corner of the post. That will give you a link to that specific post. *!!wink!!*

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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby qrfan3 » Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:15 pm

Hawk...thanks man, I will re-do the link..... !*cheers*!
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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby Hawk » Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:16 pm

qrfan3 wrote:Hawk...thanks man, I will re-do the link..... !*cheers*!

My pleasure! !*salute*!
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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby Toldrabald » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:11 am

qrfan3 wrote:Hope this answers some of your queries...


Thanks for the link, this is what I was looking for :)

And for the moment I can't tell if this route will just be an experiment to get into the editor's features or if it will a complete set. But it's fun to play around and lay some tracks and then create a scenario for it. Even though my first one was like "drive from platform a to platform b" and then onto first 100 meters of track. But it worked! :D
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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby qrfan3 » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:23 am

YW....Yes, it is quite satisfying to create a little route as a new starter, make a scenario and run for a short distance and it all works.... !!*ok*!!
Looks like RWA may have another Route builder in the making....well done!

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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby PamBrooker » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:57 am

Toldrabald wrote:
Thanks for the link, this is what I was looking for :)

And for the moment I can't tell if this route will just be an experiment to get into the editor's features or if it will a complete set. But it's fun to play around and lay some tracks and then create a scenario for it. Even though my first one was like "drive from platform a to platform b" and then onto first 100 meters of track. But it worked! :D


::LOL:: Its addicting!!!!!!! .. Once your track is laid and some of the textures and scenery objects laid in, your mind starts to play and you start seeing all these really neat little things you can do on the side.. Its like candy for the mind, even if all you use is stock default scenery objects :) :) :)
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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby RailWorksDepot » Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:07 pm

its addictive for sure - when built my first route for railsim - i thought i`d try the loop thing which you couldnt do in msts
so i made a 4 track loop - and added a turntable etc -
it was fun - and yes your mind is your window into this amazing world - so have fun.

since then i`ve built some 10 - 20 routes - now i`m building a real route from kings cross to york with all the lines that join and leave this section of track - its only 188 miles to york :)
loads to do but its all fun

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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby PamBrooker » Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:54 pm

I was seriously considering doing the Reno to sacramento rote over donner pass, but with all the weird @*&# thats been happening on my route so far, I'm a bit more thanm frustrated by it all.. i've got large swiss cheese holes appearing in ground i just raised and smoothed the session before, Mile after mile of Hills that were cut in half and flattened like someone dropped a big anvil on it. The only thing that keeps me even considering continuing, is the fear that no one else will ever build a mountain route. And thats a shame really because some of the greatest routes in the world climb mountains. Donner pass has some of the most extreme weather ( unless you live in arizona where flash flooding can ruin your whole day real quick like ), and theresthis railway in i belueve switzerlad where the mountain is so steep, the train uses a gear beneath the center of the engine to ratchet it's way to the village on the top.. Heck, i've even sen one train on TV where the cars were tilted so they would be level while climbing.. but mmy gods what a veiw.. And what would it be like to take train, through the Alps? Or the Ande's ( with chickens and all aboard)? or thunder across a siberian winters night in the Orient express. Meh! I dream..
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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby Trainguy76 » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:40 pm

Pam, if you would like me to, I could set up the route blueprints, and the DEM for you.
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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby PamBrooker » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:50 am

That would be awesome if you have the time and energy.. Although at some point, i need to learn how to set up and import DEM files, at the moment, i simply dont trust railworks. it just destroyed 160 hours of work just by me turning on the program. Thats as much work as most people do in a month, i did it in a week and a half, which explains my seemingly extreme reaction.. Fortunately the newer scenery was left mostly untouched.. I spent a few hours today repairing it..
With the Donner pass route, i've alrady started working on the marker file in google earth, and i'm confident enough in it for curves and that that i have no reall worries about overlaying it on a DEM file and using it as a guide for laying rail ( providecd i can do that ).. about the only concern i have with it is the size.. i dont know if i should make one marker file or several as its a bit of a long route when taken foot by foot.. or even mile by mile..
The other thing that concerns me is frame rates.. How badly will Donner Pass pull down a machine? On3e of my testers is reporting framerates of 16 FPS with this partially filled in route that just got sledgehammered.. I havent even filled in half of it, and the sierras are ten times worse on tree density and water ( Lake Tahoe?/). The one difference that Donner will allow is that i can make scenery thats only so wide. i cant do that with high desert as its a spiders web of interconnected scenery.. I just wish i was more experienced so i could make better decisions about it..
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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby Trainguy76 » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:00 am

You can create a path in Google Earth, and import that into RailWorks using RWtools. I'll look at creating the blueprints later this week, where do you want the start point to be?
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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby PamBrooker » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:11 am

Lets start east of sparks out by Lockwood at coordinates 39.511403° N X -119.649806° W. Thats where my first marker sits
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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby Hawk » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:01 am

Pam Brooker wrote:and theresthis railway in i belueve switzerlad where the mountain is so steep, the train uses a gear beneath the center of the engine to ratchet it's way to the village on the top.. Heck, i've even sen one train on TV where the cars were tilted so they would be level while climbing..

There's two of those right here in the US. The Pikes Peak Cog Railway in Colorado and the Mt. Washington Cog Railway in New Hampshire, and I've been to them both. Even got some pictures of the Mt. Washington, which you can see at this link: http://hawkdawg.com/photos/ne-us/cog.htm
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Re: newbie question :(

Unread postby PamBrooker » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:35 pm

Hawk wrote:There's two of those right here in the US. The Pikes Peak Cog Railway in Colorado and the Mt. Washington Cog Railway in New Hampshire, and I've been to them both. Even got some pictures of the Mt. Washington, which you can see at this link: http://hawkdawg.com/photos/ne-us/cog.htm


Thanks Hawk. Didnt know that.. i did a route check of the donner pass route on google earth last night.. It's gonna take a little bit of work, so maybe another developer can pick up on these other routes. I'd really like to se american railroading get placed firmly on the railworks map..
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