Trinity County Narrow Gauge

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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby McCRRR19 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:39 pm

KevinWS wrote:
Trinity 1.jpg
Suggestion #1.

I have used the wording "Trinity County Railway" rather than including NARROW GAUGE as well.

The font needs to changed to something more period. Suggestions? I can change it easily so as to get an idea of how it looks.

And obviously, it can be just outlined, colours inverted etc.


Wonderful! I like it! It's something that would look great as the drum head on the end of a business car. However, I prefer to keep the "Narrow Gauge" part in the name. I know it seems to portray the obvious, but the inspiration for the name came from a real life railroad in California the "Nevada County Narrow Gauge Railroad" a 22 mile line the ran from an interchange with the Southern Pacific at Colfax, CA to Nevada City and Grass Valley. Actually, if it wasn't for the NCNG, I probably wouldn't have come up with the idea for this route. Here's a link with some information, photos, and some wonderful maps of the NCNG. http://www.pacificng.com/template.php?p ... /index.htm
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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby KevinWS » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:42 pm

Thank you!

Thanks also for the link

I try it with the Narrow Guage wording in and try to think of other styles as well.

Can you suggest a suitable font?
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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby QcRail » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:45 pm

Here is my first iteration of a logo for the Trinity Couty Narrow Gauge - a route in the making

The design premisse are founded on the following criterias
1. the font should reflect the period of late 19th, and early centuries, thus the most common - a Roman calligraphy.
2. The word trinity, from Latin, carries the conceopt : a set of three things that form a unit,
3. The concept of three in a unit is reinforced by the 3 mountain peaks and not with a modern appearance,
4. the thicker line used to encase the mountain image, suggest the railroad float on ruggedness of the landscape, !*hp*! !*hp*!

Trinity County Narrow Gauge RR.jpg


Your thoughts ????

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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby harryadkins » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:01 pm

Thanks for your good work. Route looks great and I'm looking forward to operating it.

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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby McCRRR19 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:21 pm

QcRail wrote:Here is my first iteration of a logo for the Trinity Couty Narrow Gauge - a route in the making

The design premisse are founded on the following criterias
1. the font should reflect the period of late 19th, and early centuries, thus the most common - a Roman calligraphy.
2. The word trinity, from Latin, carries the conceopt : a set of three things that form a unit,
3. The concept of three in a unit is reinforced by the 3 mountain peaks and not with a modern appearance,
4. the thicker line used to encase the mountain image, suggest the railroad float on ruggedness of the landscape, !*hp*! !*hp*!

Trinity County Narrow Gauge RR.jpg


Your thoughts ????

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That looks great! I like what you and Kevin have come up with. For fonts, and to also answer Kevin's question about, my idea was something similar to the font used in the logo for the Nevada-California-Oregon Railway, which was also the basis for the logo I came up with for the TCNG. For those unfamiliar, the N-C-O was a narrow gauge line that started in Reno, built north and eventually ended in Lakeview, OR with dreams to continue all the way to the Columbia River, but those plans never happened. Parts of the southern end were acquired by the Western Pacific and standard gauges becoming their Reno Branch, and the northern end from Wendel, CA to Lakeview were acquired by the Southern Pacific, standard gauged and became part of the Modoc line and the Lakeview Branch. The basis for Britkits wonderful narrow gauge 2-8-0, that I use heavily in my route, was originally built as No.14 of the N-C-O.
NCO-Railway.jpg


And the three mountains in the your logo reminded me an actual similar place in the Trinity Alps. There's a place known as Sawtooth Ridge of several jagged peaks in row, a photo I ran across of the ridge focuses on three of the peaks which is quite similar to your logo. https://www.flickr.com/photos/damon_tighe/7600871138/
Other geographical features I felt may work well, either for a slogan, or logo, or both are the Trinity River (which, most of the line follows) or Ycatapom Peak.
Picture or Video 2409_small.jpg


I also want to thank everyone for the interest so far, and thank you QCrail and KevinWS for offering to work up logos and help with ideas. It really means a lot and helps keep motivation going on this route, even if it is a long way off from getting finished.
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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby QcRail » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:53 am

Tim,

Wow, beautiful landscape of the ''California Alps''; after seeing these photos I have to plead to include the 3 mountains image as part of the logo - very distinctive and representative.

Changing font style is quite easy with Photoshop - but, today with a beatiful sunny sky I'm going cycling. !*brav*!

Have another idea close in effigy to the Southern Pacific round logo and another in Vintage 19th. century Letter calligraphy - lots of fun !!howdy!!

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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby QcRail » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:00 pm

How about this version? I kind of like it - bold and powerful ... Here, the text is dominant.

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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby QcRail » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:00 pm

How about this version? I kind of like it - bold and powerful ... Here, the text is dominant.

Trinity County Narrow Gauge Railway.jpg

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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby QcRail » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:32 pm

This is a different approach...

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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby McCRRR19 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:51 pm

QcRail wrote:This is a different approach...

TrinityCountyNG_4.jpg


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I like this one. It's more simple, which is something I think is more likely to be seen on the side of a boxcar. One thing I think could balance it out, is if you remove the "Alpine Route" part and have "Trinity County Narrow Gauge" spread out on the four sides. "The Alpine Route" was mainly just an idea for a slogan, which could also be added separately else where on the sides of the car. Other ideas for slogans I had were "The Trinity River Route" or "Gateway to the Trinity Alps"

In other things, as shown here, accidents can happen. A northbound Hayfork-Trinity Center freight eases it's loads of lumber down the 4% grade below Hayfork Summit as it passes the site of an old derailment.
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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby QcRail » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:11 am

McCRRR19 wrote:
I like this one. It's more simple, which is something I think is more likely to be seen on the side of a boxcar. One thing I think could balance it out, is if you remove the "Alpine Route" part and have "Trinity County Narrow Gauge" spread out on the four sides. "The Alpine Route" was mainly just an idea for a slogan, which could also be added separately else where on the sides of the car. Other ideas for slogans I had were "The Trinity River Route" or "Gateway to the Trinity Alps"


I agree. Leaving out the slogan will give the logo an airier look and feel. It also can be explained by a limited budget of a small railroad, therefore using simpler graphics with less stenciling. And yes, adding different slogans to certain railcars will give it an added interest. Kind of like ''Gateway to the Trinity Alps''. I might have a go on this one using the Clear Creek box car with your oxide color. !!howdy!!

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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby McCRRR19 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:29 pm

It'll be great to see how it looks. Too add, when you do the boxcar, if you recall, I had the reporting marks arched over the car number in the one of the examples ideas I posted earlier, which is something the Nevada County Narrow Gauge did, and I always liked. I'm not sure if you'll mess with the auto numbering of the cars at all, but I have planned for the boxcars to be numbered 100 through 299. If not, that's always something I could maybe figure out how to change.
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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby KevinWS » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:47 pm

Tim - as promised here is a redraft of the logo I posted with the wording changed to include NARROW GAUGE.
Triangle and three trees + Trinity. Trees represent logging. In terms of the symbols, there is the saw for logging and the pick and shovel for mining. Could always use other symbols as well as you wish.

Remember these are just rough drafts - if you decide to use any, I will clean them up for use, as well as look at weathering them etc. Colours and fonts you must decide as well, as it's your RR, so these are all just variation to give an idea of appearance!

Trinity 2.jpg


A couple below in other colours as well just to try and get an idea of how it could be applied.

Trinity 3.jpg

Trinity43.jpg


I tend to think of this one as the more formal logo used on notice boards, building etc, and maybe the odd well liked loco.

I have produced a simpler variation (see next post) with rolling stock in mind.
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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby KevinWS » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:10 pm

So here is a simpler version for rolling stock - it's a small railroad so something simple that can be slapped on with a stencil..... The idea is just a stencil outline on the base colour of the wagon.

Same themes and symbols carried through. I think iit gives a good feel of a "working railway" (as opposed to a largely passenger operation).

A black version with the TCNGRR lettering.....
Trinity 4.jpg


And a colour version (whatever you want of course!).........
Trinity 5.jpg


And then lastly some colour variations for rolling stock - one orange, one white.

Trinity 6.jpg

Trinity 7.jpg


See the next post for a variation on the above - I thought the TCNGRR a bit of "mouthful" in terms of the lettering, so dropped the RR.
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Re: Trinity County Narrow Gauge

Unread postby KevinWS » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:15 pm

So here is the logo with the RR dropped. Slight changes in the arrangement of the logo. I actually think this version looks better.

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