Can anyone out there load, run, or edit third party routes?

[buzz456]

Finally got the NERW to open anyway. Don't know exactly why.

[fraserm]

Try Opening Steam. Go through the steps to Verify Integrity of Game Cache. I tried to run a third party route and it only partially worked. I then repeated the Verify Cache about two more times. I only have three third party routes. Now everything works for me.

This is my , but this is what I'm doing. Your mileage may, and probably will, vary. After having no luck running any 3rd party routes (I have 38 routes total and over 500 scenarios, most of which I seldom run) after the update, even after multiple cache verifications, I renamed the updated RW folder and made a fresh install of 2014. Attempting several Standard, Free Roam, and QD scenarios, I'm satisfied with the improvements made to the default setup. I was able to make a quick mod to the new Donner Pass route to change the switch targets (they're still reversed in the new route) using GaryG's mod. I emailed RSC about my process and I'm still waiting for a formal reply.
Being OK with the new base sim, I thought about which routes I have the most enjoyment running on and I decided to try one at a time on the new update. I started with the excellent freeware NERW-PA Division. After installing the default route and assets, it was no problem running the default tour scenario. It looks pretty good, too! Having upped my confidence with that, I installed the payware VNHRR v 0.9. I started a free roam scenario and it also ran fine. I next tried the editor (now "Build") and it seemed to work OK on a free roam scenario on the VNHRR. My next task is to install the NERW fleet in its entirety and go forward from there. I'll also install a few NERW scenarios and see how they work.
A lot of you may say that it's too much work to start again, and you're right, it is a lot of work. My point, at least for my purposes, is that doing clean installs of a few 3rd party routes seems to work for me and I'm willing to go through that. My 2013 installation had become bloated with 3rd party routes, scenarios, and assets, and I think it's time I clean that up. This is a perfect opportunity to do that. Trying to clean up a convoluted set of asset and content folders in 2013 is even more work, IMHO.
Please, no flames, this is my opinion, and the actions I'm willing to take to continue runnning TS2014 with its very attractive new graphics. I just hope this encourages more users to put whatever effort they feel is adequate into making their setups run better, and letting the community know what works and what doesn't. My experiences tell me that with enough care, re-installing routes in 2014 can give satisfactory results.
I know this doesn't address the needs of the talented, hard-working developers out there (you know who you are...) as I don't do much development, except for a few scenarios for my own use. I've had a TON of fun using this sim since mid-2011 (and 3 updates/upgrades) and through these actions I'm going to be able to continue that. Maybe I'll make sure I keep a cleaner installation, too.
I welcome comments, just keep them civil and within the rules of engagement on this forum.

Respectfully submitted,
Marc

[OldProf]

Not having encountered any problems of this sort yet, I'm beginning to feel left out. Of course, I don't have gazillions of 3rd party items in my installation.


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"Yet" can be a big word and, as Gertrude Stein warned us, "There is no yet in Paradise". I just tried to load a scenario from each of two large Italian routes, "Torino-Genova" and "Ferrovia sulla confine Italia-Francia". TS2014 "stopped working" (is this really any better than "SBHH"?). So, I suppose it's time for another CV [Cache Verification]. Whoopee!

[fraserm]

You're one of the lucky few, Tom! Glad for you.

M.

[buzz456]

I am still working my way through this however after a looooooooooong download of my new asset folder I discovered that of course there was tons of stuff missing that I use all the time soooooooooooo I decided to take my old asset folder and just change out the much discussed Kuju folder so I would be using all my old asset folder but with a fresh Kuju.

It appears (holding my breath) that now at least most of my routes load. Off to work. Will report more tonight.

I suggest to anyone still struggling to try naming your Kuju Kuju.old verify to let steam load a fresh Kuju and start from there. Obviously there are things there you will want to add back in but if you do it slowly you should be able to find out what is amiss there if that's the problem.

[OldProf]

Not having encountered any problems of this sort yet, I'm beginning to feel left out. Of course, I don't have gazillions of 3rd party items in my installation.


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"Yet" can be a big word and, as Gertrude Stein warned us, "There is no yet in Paradise". I just tried to load a scenario from each of two large Italian routes, "Torino-Genova" and "Ferrovia sulla confine Italia-Francia". TS2014 "stopped working" (is this really any better than "SBHH"?). So, I suppose it's time for another CV [Cache Verification]. Whoopee!

Answering my own post may be the equivalent of talking to myself, but I do that, too, so here goes:

After giving myself a good dope slap, I opened RW_Tools and checked the "Torino-Genova" and "Ferrovia sulla confine Italia-Francia" routes, both of which reported 100+ objects missing, most of them from the Kuju folder. My guess is that a lot of files that used to be in that folder got moved somewhere else with the advent of TS2014. Rather than go on a snipe hunt, I decided just to delete both of these very large and seldom played for quite a while routes in the hope that their creators will eventually hunt snipe for me. At present, the website from which I obtained "Ferrovia sulla confine Italia-Francia" is AWOL, while at "AmiciTreni", there's no mention of any updates to suit TS2014. Pazienza.

[jamesphh]

Problems continue with 2014. Not only can I not run any 3rd party routes, but no legacy european rotes will run ( Great Western, WCML, London- Brighton, Seebergbahn). I can seem to run anything in the RSC folder ( Donner Pass, Marias Pass, Sherman Hill) and one legacy route (Cajon Pass). Kuju folder was restored to 2013 condition. Numerous verify's have been done.
I also have a screen flicjer on the edge when going back to the scenario menue. Also the loading hang on occasion at the sync of workshop. Also missing ( acording to the manual) are 'skins' under the tool menu.

[buzz456]

It's always good to see a man have a good talk with himself.

[Chacal]

Two excellent pieces of advice in the latest posts IMHO:

My 2013 installation had become bloated with 3rd party routes, scenarios, and assets, and I think it's time I clean that up.

Quite correct, especially for assets that I used to grab at random before I realized they weren't useful if no scenario used them.

I suggest to anyone still struggling to try naming your Kuju Kuju.old verify to let steam load a fresh Kuju and start from there. Obviously there are things there you will want to add back in but if you do it slowly you should be able to find out what is amiss there if that's the problem.

My god Buzz you're turning into a techie yourself!

[donoldskay]

Very Strange. Yesterday, I opened Ann Arbor Route with editor. Wow. It loaded. Closed it. Opened it with a standard scenario I had started working on a few weeks ago. It opened and the driver's engine moved. No other 3rd party route opened yesterday. I then tried the same procedure with Great Northerner's BN Big Horn, GN Butte. IIR routes. No joy. Repeated procedure with those routes this morning. All worked. Then tried NE-PA route. No luck. This afternoon tried Ann Arbor and the Great Northerner routes. None worked. Once more, no third party route works. Maybe tomorrow is the day. No wonder, they play a funeral dirge while the routes load. Oh, by the way the supersized icons still bounce.

Don

[Chacal]

I must admit the music wouldn't have been my first choice.

[Toonces]

I must admit the music wouldn't have been my first choice.

Funny about the music. I had set up RW2014 to download and launch, and then went off to do something else. The next day I came back and had forgotten I had RW running on the machine. Instead I was off looking for something else - a YouTube video that described how to fix a faucet in the bathroom. And when that video started playing I started hearing this music, and I was ready to flame the plumber for adding music which was making it hard for me to hear what he was saying. It was later that I *finally* realized that the music was coming from RW2014 and not from the video from the plumber.

Getting more on-topic, I have been running Connellsvile-Baltimore without any real issue. The only problem I had was when I tried to use RWTools to package my scenarios. But the scenarios seem to play just fine.

[OlPaint]

I know this has probably been reported before, but I get CDT with "Railworks.exe must close" message when I try to save a scenario in progress instead of being returning back to the scenarios menu. The scenario in fact is truly being saved at that point but I must reload with a resume to get back to the saved scenario at the point of the saved action. It never worked like that before in TS2013. What a chore...

OlPaint

[chrisreb]

I have been slowly amalgamating all my Asset folders and apart from some glitches am able to open the 3rd party routes I have so far tried. Apart from broken signals in NERW (I have started a thread on the NERW forum to see if anyone can help) the routes are loading even with a huge Asset folder.

Long way to go yet but very encouraged so far.

[Chacal]

I know this has probably been reported before, but I get CDT with "Railworks.exe must close" message when I try to save a scenario in progress instead of being returning back to the scenarios menu. The scenario in fact is truly being saved at that point but I must reload with a resume to get back to the saved scenario at the point of the saved action. It never worked like that before in TS2013. What a chore...

OlPaint

Yes you are the second one mentioning this new problem today.
Clearly a bug that should be sent to support.