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Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:40 am
by bnsf9580
So hi, it's me again. I successfully repainted a few things now so I thought I'd fill you in on that. One is an Amtrak P42DC, it is now owned by TJY Rail Inc. I need to do some touching up and it will look perfect! I am using this locomotive on a high speed line which TJYX bought from UP and is currently upgrading to take speeds of 110MPH. So I jump into my pretty P42DC and head towards Chicago and reach the 110 zone, and put it into N8. My issue is, I can almost reach about 105 with a 6 car train, but the alerter thingy beeps, not the "press Q" alerter, the over speed alerter. It beeps and is so annoying I can't get up to 100MPH. Is there a place in maybe the BIN file or somewhere where I can adjust the overspeed limit to keep the alerter quiet until 110MPH? Just curious. Any help is greatly appreciated! Oh, here is the stuff I've been repainting. G-Trax P42DC, based off of Amtrak 145 but copied onto the regular P42DC for the ability to change numbers, and the PhIII Superliner Lounge car, which needs some touching up as well. None the less, I'm pretty happy with them.

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Any help related to the speed issue would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! *!!thnx!!*

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:04 am
by Noel
Nice repaints! Almost looks like the GN Empire Builder in Modern Times.

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:27 pm
by bnsf9580
Noel wrote:Nice repaints! Almost looks like the GN Empire Builder in Modern Times.


Kind of what I went for. I was thinking about doing something, but didn't get the idea until I saw Andy Fletcher's "Retro-Amtrak Awareness" GN P42DC and then I had it haha. It's a little different, but it's pretty cool. Here is a link to him and his drawing. He sure has some talent! http://instagram.com/p/qu7D1IBlVZ/?modal=true

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:40 pm
by Ericmopar
They get pretty noisy with beeps at that speed...

viewtopic.php?f=41&t=9986&p=114823&hilit=cab+ride#p114823

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:08 pm
by 1225fan5358
Issue 1. Superliners aren't good for 110 (except the few certified MI ones)

Issue 2. Ever seen an amtrak train go over 90 with a single P42? No, and there's a reason for that. P42s have two motors. HEP (powers the cars) and the prime mover. On a MI or IL 110 corridor, most if not all trains will have the front loco working HEP and the trailing loco doing the moving. That way, the prime mover and hep motors don't have to share power.

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:48 am
by dfcfu342
1225fan5358 wrote:Issue 1. Superliners aren't good for 110 (except the few certified MI ones)

Issue 2. Ever seen an amtrak train go over 90 with a single P42? No, and there's a reason for that. P42s have two motors. HEP (powers the cars) and the prime mover. On a MI or IL 110 corridor, most if not all trains will have the front loco working HEP and the trailing loco doing the moving. That way, the prime mover and hep motors don't have to share power.


Head End Power is supplied by the prime mover hence they are RPM locked at 900 when in HEP mode and that applies to all locomotives in the consist.

You can alter the beeping in the cab it's in the engine bin file just raise the activation speed to 110mph.

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:31 pm
by 1225fan5358
dfcfu342 wrote:
1225fan5358 wrote:Issue 1. Superliners aren't good for 110 (except the few certified MI ones)

Issue 2. Ever seen an amtrak train go over 90 with a single P42? No, and there's a reason for that. P42s have two motors. HEP (powers the cars) and the prime mover. On a MI or IL 110 corridor, most if not all trains will have the front loco working HEP and the trailing loco doing the moving. That way, the prime mover and hep motors don't have to share power.


Head End Power is supplied by the prime mover hence they are RPM locked at 900 when in HEP mode and that applies to all locomotives in the consist.

You can alter the beeping in the cab it's in the engine bin file just raise the activation speed to 110mph.

Meh same thing lol HEP is in the prime mover !*roll-laugh*!

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:05 pm
by BNSFdude
1225fan5358 wrote:
dfcfu342 wrote:
1225fan5358 wrote:Issue 1. Superliners aren't good for 110 (except the few certified MI ones)

Issue 2. Ever seen an amtrak train go over 90 with a single P42? No, and there's a reason for that. P42s have two motors. HEP (powers the cars) and the prime mover. On a MI or IL 110 corridor, most if not all trains will have the front loco working HEP and the trailing loco doing the moving. That way, the prime mover and hep motors don't have to share power.


Head End Power is supplied by the prime mover hence they are RPM locked at 900 when in HEP mode and that applies to all locomotives in the consist.

You can alter the beeping in the cab it's in the engine bin file just raise the activation speed to 110mph.

Meh same thing lol HEP is in the prime mover !*roll-laugh*!

Not in, but connected to via a drive shaft.

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:37 pm
by 1225fan5358
Dont take my word for new GE's. Never worked on em, just been taught things by oldead Amtrak engineers and thought I'd repeat some stuff in an attempt to help. I know the cabs and horns and bells for sure though. Prime movers and HEP, ehhh not on GEs. I've only really gotten my hands dirty with old EMDs.

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:52 pm
by bnsf9580
dfcfu342 wrote:
1225fan5358 wrote:Issue 1. Superliners aren't good for 110 (except the few certified MI ones)

Issue 2. Ever seen an amtrak train go over 90 with a single P42? No, and there's a reason for that. P42s have two motors. HEP (powers the cars) and the prime mover. On a MI or IL 110 corridor, most if not all trains will have the front loco working HEP and the trailing loco doing the moving. That way, the prime mover and hep motors don't have to share power.


Head End Power is supplied by the prime mover hence they are RPM locked at 900 when in HEP mode and that applies to all locomotives in the consist.

You can alter the beeping in the cab it's in the engine bin file just raise the activation speed to 110mph.


Do you know what I need to find in the BIN file? I've tried looking but haven't seemed to stumble upon it. I can look again, but I haven't seen much.

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:45 pm
by dfcfu342
I've looked through the engine .bin, the simulation file, and the lua file and I can't seem to find anywhere that the alerter is activated at 100 mph so I'm stumped myself. !!**sorry**!!

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:27 am
by CrimsonKing
It has something to do with the in cab signalling and how the route is set up. According to the G-Trax manual, it defaults at 100 unless on a configured route.

If you run the P42 on the NEC, you can see the track speed limit change as you travel. Other routes may have the in cab signalling but the NEC is the only one I know of that actually has the route configured correctly to use the track speed limit feature.

Re: Trying to run the Amtrak P42DC at 110MPH, but beeps at 100MPH

Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:15 pm
by bnsf9580
CrimsonKing wrote:It has something to do with the in cab signalling and how the route is set up. According to the G-Trax manual, it defaults at 100 unless on a configured route.

If you run the P42 on the NEC, you can see the track speed limit change as you travel. Other routes may have the in cab signalling but the NEC is the only one I know of that actually has the route configured correctly to use the track speed limit feature.


Interesting. So is it possible that there is a route limit that I can go in and edit? That would be neat if there were. I'll look around and report back haha thanks!