Superelevation Not Woking

[emdsd90mac]

Thank you for getting back on this subject. I will be looking forward to the update soon.

[barnez]

ScaleRail does not yet support Super Elevation. An update is coming, however.

Most interesting - I've been able to replace SR track with SE curves ...

did I miss something?

-barnez

[Toripony]

I think the reason the Bar-SanBar super-el looks bad is the low, flat ballast beds on that track. Try using the SP version of ScaleRail with the high (realistic) ballast beds. Might have to adjust the route's track height with RWTools.

[Bananarama]

Most interesting - I've been able to replace SR track with SE curves ...

did I miss something?

I dunno - I never configured the blueprints to support SE.

[Trainguy76]

Any track can have SE, but it needs to use a track rule configured for it.

[Bananarama]

Sorry - TrackRule is what I was after.

[pschlik]

What the heck is going on, I ceck the superelevation box for san bars main track, create a turn, put a train on it, play and the train is level, so is the track, what the heck? (yes, even with easements on)

[barnez]

What the heck is going on, I ceck the superelevation box for san bars main track, create a turn, put a train on it, play and the train is level, so is the track, what the heck? (yes, even with easements on)

I found the following with messing around with SE:

1. the trackrule must have SE defined (obviously) which is easy to add with RWTools by copying the string from the HSC route
2. SE works best with easements on, but actually can work with regular curves (just takes a little more work)
3. When laying a new curve, checking the SE box in the track properties appears to have no effect
4. Once laid, select a section of the curve you want SE to appear with (so the track properties box opens again) and uncheck/ recheck the SE box - the curve will now show the SE (with the definitions from HSC, SE is rather subtle unless the curve is quite tight - say 1000M radius or less to be really obvious looking)
4a. Once applied, SE will be ON for the entire section of track between welded sections (little red triangles)
4b. (Obviously) SE will stop (abruptly) if there is a weld in the middle of a curve - unless of course, you apply SE to both sides of the weld
5. SE will not work between junctions unless there is a straight section seperating the curve from the junction
6. for non-easmented curves, you will need to delete the section of track at the weld (where the break in the track is visible) and re-lay the section starting from the curve and laying track towards the straight section
6a. this doesn't work with junctions
7. I think at this point you can save a step by not bothering to check the SE box when initially laying track as you must go back and manually apply SE as noted above to each section. To convert a route (with easmented curves) simply select a section of a curve and check the box, assuming no welds in the way or junctions, pop!, everything works nice.

When I was testing all of this yesterday the route I was working with uses ScaleRail with a custom trackrule, SE appeared to me to be working fine ... not sure if there is anything Hack needs to adjust with ScaleRail other than the supplied trackrule.

-barnez

[emdsd90mac]

How do you edit the track rule with RWTools? Can you possibly give a short how to on that. I really like the look of scale rail and want to continue using it on the route I am building.

[barnez]

How do you edit the track rule with RWTools? Can you possibly give a short how to on that. I really like the look of scale rail and want to continue using it on the route I am building.

Make a copy of the .bin file for the trackrule that you are using (so you have a backup if anything goes awry). Trackrule files are in Assets\[dev folder]\railnetworks\trackrules\

For a pre-existing route you will need the "new" trackrule to have the same name - routes work best (for AI purposes) with only 1 trackrule.

In RWTools, open the HSC trackrule file and copy to the clipboard the sections for Ride Quality & SuperElevation (they are adjacent) that come before gradient definition (percent for HSC)

Next open your trackrule.bin file and paste in the same location - don't leave any extra line breaks. Save the file (RWTools will automatically save a backup for you)

That should be it, definitions for SE & Ride Quality should be in your route.

-barnez

[pschlik]

I don't have the horseshoe curve

[barnez]

I don't have the horseshoe curve

You can get the entries out of the San Bernardino trackrule, but some values need to be changed:

MaxCantAngle should be: 4
CurveToAnglePercent should be: 20

I'm not sure if the "d:alt_encoding" strings need to be changed or not

-barnez

[Bananarama]

I'll try those values for the update and see how folks take to it.

[barnez]

I'll try those values for the update and see how folks take to it.

Just an FYI - the values I posted here are directly from what's in the HSC trackrule - my own opinion is it looks about right for a US route handling primarily freight (ie no highspeed lines) the curves on HSC look nice & what little I played around with on my own route looks nice too

-barnez

[Bananarama]

Fiddling around with track values, I'm having a tough time getting smooth transitions using easements. Even if an entire section is laid from point A to point B with easements checked (or just the curves), the lead-in to the curve is always an abrupt one. Lead-outs are easier to set up, but if not careful, these too can be a bit bumpy through the exit transition (for me anyway). FWIW, I'm using a Max cant angle degrees of 6, a Curve to angle percent of 20, and a Line unevenness value of 2. The lurch from straight to curve happens even on radii as large as 2500m, but my regular curves (no easements or SE) allow the train to track smoothly, even on radii as small as 450m @ 40mph.

I'm stumped.